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Epoxy vs. Self-Etching Primer for Painting Bare Metal

By January 28, 2015 Paint 5 Comments
How to Paint Bare Metal Car

Visit any automotive forum and you can’t help but stumble upon a long running debate on which direct to metal product is better, etch primer or epoxy primer. You will hear all kinds of technical facts, personal experiences as well as flat out unsubstantiated opinion. Then throw in the thousands of products available for the job, each with their own recommendations, and you’ll find yourself overwhelmed.

But after the smoke finally clears the fact remains that both types of primers will give you successful results – if used correctly. The route you choose depends on the condition of the metal you’re starting with, the time you have to devote to the bodywork and paint process, your budget and a bit of personal preference. Above all else, once you decide on your color, use that company’s paint products from the bare metal stage to the final topcoat. Mixing products to save a few bucks will most likely cause adhesion problems – no matter which bare metal primer you choose.

Self-Etching Primer

An etching primer uses an acid to chemically clean and micro-etch the metal surface for a better mechanical bite to promote adhesion with the layer of high-build primer to follow while also providing a layer of corrosion resistance on the metal. Because it cures quickly, it’s the method of choice for collision shops. But a key difference with etch primer is that you need to apply your filler or bondo first directly to the metal before spraying it. An example of the application order on bare metal is: 1) bodywork including filler/bondo 2) paint prep solvent 3) self-etch primer 4) high-build primer 5) basecoat 6) clearcoat.

Recommendations

If your metal surface is mostly smooth, you don’t have areas with rust problems and you don’t plan on having to use additional filler or bondo, then self-etch is a great option. Any slight imperfections and small sanding scratches will be filled with high-build primer in the next step. It’s also useful for painting small parts or body panels with hard-to-reach areas that you can’t scuff easily with sandpaper or a pad. Self-etching primer will get in there and bite into metal for you.

Here’s an example of self-etching primer sprayed over panels with only some minor bodywork done. You’ll notice differences in color as it dries over bare metal versus body filler. This ’67 convertible Chevelle at Martin Automotive was etched with 2 parts PE995 Corrosion Shield Etching Primer and 3 parts ER997 Corrosion Shield Reducer by Sherwin-Williams.

Etch Primer Sprayed on Bare Metal & Body Filler

Unless you only have a few minor issues to fix, it’s challenging for us do-it-yourselfers to carve out enough time to strip the old paint to bare metal, do the repairs, apply bondo and then spray a layer of self-etching primer before surface rust begins to form on the body. In this case, a more realistic option may be to use an epoxy primer.

Epoxy Primer

As the name implies, epoxy primer gives you excellent adhesion, similar to applying epoxy glue while also sealing the bare metal from environmental elements. Since it relies on forming a mechanical bond with the metal, you have to manually create the bite it needs by sanding the entire surface of the body with 80 to 180-grit sandpaper. Once the epoxy primer is down you no longer have to worry about rust while doing your repairs – especially since you can apply body filler right on top of it. Then simply respray the areas you worked on to re-seal them. Although it takes longer to cure than self-etch primer, restoration shops tend to favor epoxy primers because of they often handle more extensive body repair projects. An example of the application order on bare metal is: 1) paint prep solvent 2) epoxy primer 3) bodywork including filler/bondo 4) epoxy primer on repair areas or over entire car again 5) high-build primer 6) basecoat 7) clearcoat.

Recommendations

If your bare metal body is going to need some work or you’re going for a flawless finish, then you’re better off using epoxy primer because it gives you a layer that can be sanded and filled as needed. Pay attention to your product’s recoat window. During the recoat window (usually a few days) you can add filler and another coat of epoxy primer without first having to scuff the surface. If you let your project sit for a week or more, then you’ll have to sand (scuff) the original layer before you pickup where you left off. That does introduce an extra step for weekend warriors but it’s a small price to pay for being able to work at your own pace and not have to worry about rust.

Did you survive your own paint job? Which bare metal primer did you choose? Post your advice and tips!

5 Comments

  • Ross says:

    I am sand blasting an old metal flag poll that is pitted . I wish to use automotive paint . I will be doing it in sections at a time because my blaster is small. I will use a filler over the pitted areas. I’m thinking of a base coat clear coat finish like PPG finish. It’s the prep I’m not sure about. The poll is from an old school that my mom retired from an we all attended, I saved it from the scrap bend it’s over 30 foot long an has the brass truck with the 6 inch chrome ball which you can’t get any longer . I’m going to paint it black , I had heard of a clear heat shrink that could be applied so that the brass clips wouldn’t damage finish is that true .

  • Jack says:

    Nice article. Thanks for keeping it simple.
    I’ll let you know on which way I go. I have 3 cars to restore. 1950 Chevy Fleetline, 1957 Chevrolet, and a 1974 Chevrolet Laguna S-3.

  • jack says:

    if you have worries about recoating time for epoxy primers take a look at Interlux 2000E or Interlux 3000 they are epoxy primers developed for the marine industry. I have primed several alum. boats with it with no problem. you can recoat for up to 6 weeks with out prepping. use 80gt. to prep before application. it comes in either white or grey manufacturer recomends alternating colors so you can keep track of how much your taking off when prepping for application of high build primer. it sands very easy until its been on for about 3 mo. then turns hard as wood pecker lips so get it prepped and recoated in the 6 weeks recommended.

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  • Mark Connelly says:

    My research is trying to reduce mower deck wear by applying a primer to bare metal then applying epoxy then applying rubber under coating thus, which primer to use to bond the epoxy ?

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